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Author:  subsonic [ Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:11 am ]
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<~~~~~~~ thread killer !wth

Author:  Finko [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:28 am ]
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They're sending a tech out Thursday. But I'd like to get a take on this. Node 2, which I believe is my modem/router, drops all the packets sent to it. What can I make of this? is my computer's IP. should be my modem/routers IP address, but it's not listed. I believe the is the Verizon gateway. it shows up as the 3rd node in every traceroute I run.

NeoTrace Trace Version 3.25 - TRIAL Results
Target: www.bluesnews.com
Date: 1/2/2007 (Tuesday), 6:26:43 PM
Nodes: 18

Node Data
Node Net Reg IP Address Location Node Name
1 - - Allentown digitaltwo
2 - - Unknown No Response (I think this is my router/modem)
3 1 - Unknown
4 2 1 Philadelphia so-0-3-1-0.core-rtr1.phil.verizon-gni.net
5 2 1 Philadelphia so-7-1-0-0.bb-rtr1.phil.verizon-gni.net
6 2 - Newark
7 3 2 Philadelphia pos3-0.gw1.phl16.alter.net
8 3 2 Philadelphia 0.so-3-0-0.cl2.phl6.alter.net
9 3 2 WASHINGTON D.C. 0.so-3-2-0.xl2.dca5.alter.net
10 3 2 WASHINGTON D.C. 0.so-7-0-0.br1.dca5.alter.net
12 5 3 WASHINGTON D.C. tbr2-p013901.wswdc.ip.att.net
13 6 3 New York tbr2-cl15.n54ny.ip.att.net
14 7 - Los Angeles
15 8 4 New York mdf1-gsr12-2-pos-7-0.nyc3.attens.net
16 9 4 New York mdf1-bi8k-1-eth2-2.nyc3.attens.net
17 9 - Unknown
18 10 5 New York www.bluesnews.com

Packet Data
Node High Low Avg Tot Lost
1 0 0 0 1 0
2 ---- ---- ---- 2 2
3 43 43 43 1 0
4 36 36 36 1 0
5 40 40 40 1 0
6 46 46 46 1 0
7 43 43 43 1 0
8 47 47 47 1 0
9 48 48 48 1 0
10 45 45 45 1 0
11 45 45 45 1 0
12 58 58 58 1 0
13 50 50 50 1 0
14 47 47 47 1 0
15 42 42 42 1 0
16 50 50 50 1 0
17 65 65 65 1 0
18 47 47 47 1 0

Network Data
Network id#: 1

OrgName: Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
Address: 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
City: Marina del Rey
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 90292-6695
Country: US

Network id#: 2

OrgName: Verizon Internet Services Inc.
Address: 1880 Campus Commons Dr
City: Reston
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20191
Country: US

Network id#: 3

OrgName: MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business
Address: 22001 Loudoun County Pkwy
City: Ashburn
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20147
Country: US

Network id#: 4

OrgName: MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business
Address: 22001 Loudoun County Pkwy
City: Ashburn
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 20147
Country: US

Network id#: 5
AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1) -
AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVI-12-122-0-0 (NET-12-122-0-0-1) -

Network id#: 6
AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1) -
AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVI-12-122-0-0 (NET-12-122-0-0-1) -

Network id#: 7
AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1) -
AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVI-12-122-0-0 (NET-12-122-0-0-1) -

Network id#: 8
AT&T WorldNet Services ATT (NET-12-0-0-0-1) -
AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVI-12-122-0-0 (NET-12-122-0-0-1) -

Network id#: 9

OrgName: CERFnet
Address: 5738 Pacific Center Blvd
City: San Diego
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 92121
Country: US

Network id#: 10

OrgName: UGO Networks Inc
Address: 395 Hudson Street
City: New York
StateProv: NY
PostalCode: 10014
Country: US

Registrant Data
Registrant id#: 1
See Registrant Pane for registrant contact information.

Registrant id#: 2
MCI, Inc
22001 Loudoun County Parkway
Ashburn, VA 20147

Registrant id#: 3
AT&T Corp
55 Corporate Drive
Bridgewater, NJ 08807

Registrant id#: 4
See Registrant Pane for registrant contact information.

Registrant id#: 5
Fluxx Designs
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA. 20172-0447

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Author:  StormShadow [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:17 am ]
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I have had DREADFUL verizon DSL service before where I had sub 56k numbers. I would reccomend cancelling your shit immediately and getting a different ISP. They kept telling me that they were updating lines, and doing other stuff so that in the near future my speeds would pick up, but it never happened. I stuck with them way too long and ended up feeling like an asshole.

Author:  SPYDER [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:00 am ]
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From what I have heard, and I am no expert on DSL service by any means, (since I never had the chance to install or maintain any of that type of service with Verizon), they use point to point internet protocol over ethernet. This is referred to as PPPOE.

Cable internet is like a big ethernet lan, with the cable modems acting as a converter from whatever signals they send over the cable, to basic ethernet, providing a mac address and ip address for the pc or router to use in a DHCP environment, where ip addresses are automatically assigned upon connection to the network.

When a router is connected to the modem in a PPOE environment, the router negotiates with the modem for a connection to the DSL network, but the modem might do some negotiating also.
The address is usually associated with the means to connect to your router only for maintainance purposes (at least that is the way it is with my linksys wireless router) That is why it is not seen. The router usually assigns sequential addresses to the equipment connected to it (in my case it assigns,, etc to the pc's attached to it, and the pc's use DHCP to request these addresses from the router. The router in turn uses DHCP to negotiate with the cable company for it's ip address.

It might be usefull to you to do some research on PPPOE protocol. The old 56k modems we used to use to connect to an isp usually operated in a PPP environment (point to point protocol). Maybe since you indicated that you have a combo modem/router (I assume it was provided by Verizon), that is why your pc ip address doesn't correspond to the way the cable modem and linksys router combination that I have works.
My guess is that Verizon assigns your pc an ip address whenever you connect to their network, and that the modem/router combo is just used as a means to communicate with the Central Office equipment, which is the node that you see as your first hop.

What i am getting at, is that your ip address might reside in the C.O., rather than in your pc proper, and PPP is used to transfer data to your pc. Just a guess, but it might be usefull to find out for sure.

Author:  Finko [ Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:38 pm ]
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Yeah Spyder. The Modem/Router (it's a 2in1 combo thing) has a WAN IP address assigned to it, as well as the LAN IP address of I can see that when I go into the modem's software interface. It gives, via DHCP, my computer an address of My bigger concern is to why the packets are being dropped like that. My pings are good. My upload speeds are good.

I'd like nothing better than to ditch Verizon. But lets be honest. Anyone else I buy from around here is just gonna resell the same lines, no? I'll be connected to the same CO as well, I would imagine. Cable isn't an option for me. I wish to god that it was, but RCN Cable has my area in a stranglehold.

I'm going to call the other cable company today to see if they've made any progress getting into my area.

Author:  SPYDER [ Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:15 am ]
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Yes, Finko, if you go with another company, the lines will be the same, but possibly the central office equipment might be owned by the provider, due to a federal mandate that allows other companies to co-locate their equipment in verizon central offices.

Also, Verizon is required to "bundle" certain services like for example bulk packages of phone numbers for the competetion to use at discounted rates.

The one thing that the competitors have in their favor, is that they usually get preferential service from Verizon when there are problems, because Verizon wants to avoid any accusations of trying to stifle the competitors business by providing them with sub standard service.

One of the things that brought the original Bell System down, was the evidence brought to the courts that showed that AT&T managers had actually told the workers to be lax in providing good service to MCI, and had stupidly documented this action in letters that were found in the discovery process before the anti trust proceedings.

So, the climate for service for other providers by Verizon is generally very good if you opt to go with another provider.

Author:  Jenny [ Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:43 am ]
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My connection is worse :(

Author:  Doktor Jones [ Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:35 pm ]
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As SPYDER said, even though another DSL carrier might use the same lines, the equipment at the CO will likely belong to the carrier rather than Verizon, and any situation where the CLEC (competitive local exchange carrier - basically anyone else using Verizon's lines) requires Verizon's assistance in correcting a problem will likely get it taken care of quickly because Verizon will want to avoid appearances of anticompetitive practices, and the CLEC will want to provide better service than Verizon to keep you as a customer.

Out of curiosity, what area do you live in? Depending on where you live, I might be able to recommend a few providers. Since Verizon is your incumbent carrier (ILEC), I'm guessing you're on the east coast, but I know Verizon services a few areas elsewhere too.

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